Only around 2000 of these were done at the factory. Baby dragoon cartridge conversion tinker talks guns. No frame modification is needed, although minor fitting may be required due to gun manufacturer variations. These parts were already serial numbered in the 1849 s existing sequence. The smaller versions of colt s first revolvers are also called baby patersons by collectors and were produced first in. Bruce mcdowell who wrote the conversion book some y. Colt guns colt conversions page 1 collectors firearms. Fitted just this afternoon with a kirst gated conversion in. Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia forgotten. Armi san marcos colt 1860 cartridge conversion revolver duration. Jan 20, 2018 details about my uberti 1849 pocket model with cartridge conversion cylinder allowing 5 shots of. Colt later utilized these leftover parts to build a cartridge conversion. Revolvers made prior to 2002 may need to have the cylinder fitted by howell arms. And then, if one visits the colt website to date by serial number, my entry of 8840 results in a manufacture date of 1861 for model 1862 police and pocket pistol of navy caliber.
A successor to the baby dragoon, the 1849 pocket is essentially a small version of the 1851 navy. Colt 1849 pocket revolver c15753 colt 1849 pocket revolver. Colt 1849 pocket revolver cartridge conversion rare the history according to the blue book of gun values, this particular gun fits into the 300,000 serial number range, which makes it historically accurate to be a rare 3. Shumakers colt s variations of the old model pocket pistol 1848 to 1872 1957. Forgotten weapons thuer conversion colt 1849 revolver at james d julia. So they still carried the older 1849 serial numbers but the. But the pocket navy revolver was produced with the stage coach holdup scene, as on the late 1848 baby dragoon or the 1849 pocket models. Hl1103 colt 1849 and 62 pocket holster w6 to 6 12 barrel. Since it was offered both on new built revolvers and as an alteration of customers personal revolvers, no hard numbers on the total thuer population.
This is going to be more tenuous but i have time and. Hl1102 colt 1849 and 62 pocket holster for 5 to 5 12 barrel. Colt pocket navy conversion revolver with a round 3 12 barrel. Unfollow 1849 pocket colt to stop getting updates on your ebay feed. This volume is the bible for the colt pocket model revolver of 1849. What is the value of colt 1849 pocket revolverlondon model. Civilian pocket revolvers, such as the wells fargo or 1849 pocket, were. The first metallic cartridge revolver made by colt was the thuerconversion model revolver, a design that would not require a cylinder with cylindrical chambers so as not to infringe on the rollin white patent. Western leather holsters old west leather, buckles, cowboy. Colt 1849 pocket revolver converted to single shot. Dec 18, 20 shooting and showing the navy colt richards mason cartridge conversion, as well as giving an overview of the cartridge conversion revolvers of the 1860s and 1870s. Alexander thuer and marketed by the colt company itself. Had the right hammer assembly for my 1849 uberti pocket pistol and little fitting required for a perfect fit.
Gun has mixed numbers and only some of the numbers are legible. Hopefully a fiveshot, but a sixshot will do as an early 1849 pocket model with a squareback tg. A fun hobby grew into a fulltime business with over 46,000 square feet of warehouse space, annual catalog publication, and over 75,000 happy customers. Rio the only conversions of the 1849 pocket as such were based on the thuer principle. Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia forgotten weapons. Colt offered it as a conversion on the 1849 pocket, 1851 and 1861 navy, 1860 army by far the most common version, pocket pistol of navy caliber. Colt model 1862 police cartridge conversion revolver c15799. This model is actually made as a cartridge gun and was not made from a percussion. Colt guns colt 1849 pocket page 1 collectors firearms. The cylinder has been replaced with a wood block that. The 1849 is the rarest of all the pocket model thuer conversions with fewer than 200 manufactured. Gun is in a oak box with cutouts and still has the key.
In 1860, after much experimentation aimed at reducing the size of the. Colt model 1862 police cartridge conversion revolver. This gun has an original cartridge conversion barrel that has been sleeved to. The cimarron 1849 colt revolvers 31caliber bore wont satisfy a power junkie, but it will do just about anything a 22 lr can with the added smoke and flame heightening respect with every shot. This is an armi san marco replica of a colt 1848 pocket model, known as the baby dragoon. Contact us when considering buying or selling antique colts andor related materials. It took me 5 months to procure a squareback tg for my recreation of a colt 1851 second model based upon a pietta gun through taylors. We offer conversion cylinders for revolvers such as the 1847 walker, 1848 dragoon, 1849 pocket, 1851 navy, 1861 navy, 1858 remington. Colt, like all the other manufacturers in the us, was prevented from making cartridge revolvers by the rollin white patent, which finally expired in 1869. Original blue finish barrel and cylinder, brass frame and smooth walnut grips.
Thuers model conversions were done on the following model guns manufactured by colt. In 1931, turner kirkland paid seventy five cents for a dug 1849 colt pocket pistol, which began a lifetime of buying and trading antique guns and parts. Uberti 1849 pocket revolver parts taylors firearms. Just as silver spring steel allowed colt to adapt a. In this video we will take a look at the uberti 1849 pocket model. Unusual cartridge conversion of a colt 1849 pocket revolver. Magazine man at arms septemberoctober 1999 colt 1849. Once that is procured, ill buy the uberti 1849 pocket. Colt richards conversion 1860 army forgotten weapons. This is a richards conversion based on the 1860 army colt. The conversion cylinder for the 1849 colt pocket revolver is no longer available in. The family of colt pocket percussion revolvers evolved from the earlier commercial revolvers marketed by the patent arms manufacturing company of paterson, n. Additional fancier buckles, conchos, and leather tooling available for additional price. Colt revolvers conversion 18671878 for sale guns international.
The police and pocket navy revolvers, built on the pocket frame, were all. Howell old west conversions conversion cylinder 31 cal. Here is a rare factory engraved, 5 12 inch, colt 1862 police. For more information and to see quantity in stock, click the more info button.
Colt first called this revolver the ranger model, but the designation navy quickly took over after the civil war, revolvers using fixed metallic cartridges came into widespread use. Rh0454 uberti 1849 pocket revolver dixie gun works. Original colt pocket navy if this is your first visit. The cylinder was cut down to remove the nipple area at the rear, and a new ratchet was formed. Guns of fort fisher book photos of colt 1849 1860 in museum first edition 1973. Help needed from colt percussion experts pocket 1849 i am not much of a blackpowder man, but have always wanted a nice old colt percussion to shoot occasionally. So, during the final years of the pocket navy production, cartridge conversions were already taking place, and into the 1880s. Thuer conversion colt 1849 revolver forgotten weapons. The thuer conversions were the first colt metallic cartridge revolvers and are thus very desirable, and very few of these model 1849 pocket. And, as far as i can find, there is only one other video on. One of the first of these conversions was designed by f. These cartridges were loaded from the front of the cylinder and pressfit. Finish was excellent looking case hardening that matched the frame perfectly. Colt 1849 pocket revolver c12724 guns international.
This is only the second thuer conversion ive owned in over 40 years of collecting and the only pocket model. Kirst konverter 45 colt for pietta 1858 remington with loading gate. This gun is an 1862 manufactured piece in very good working order with a good bore for its age. Bought an 1849 colt pocket, dual cavity bullet mold from tom last. Black powder pistols with cartridge conversion cylinders october 20, 2015 is a 1849 31 caliber colt pocket pistol not legal in sass main matches read below before answering.
Help needed from colt percussion experts pocket 1849. As the selfcontained metallic cartridge because popular, a niche industry developed in converting percussion. This antique revolver was colts first true cartridge pistol manufactured as such. Manufactured in 1850, this first year production model 1849 revolver is in the correct 15,000 serial number block for the wells fargo model 1849 revolvers. A study of colt conversions and other percussion revolvers book free. Im seriously thinking about making a cartridge conversion out of a uberti 49 pocket model, but there is an issue most people dont take into consideration. Bruce mcdowell in his book, a study of colt conversions, on pages 340 and 341 pictures two examples of the rare 3. Cased london 1849 colt pocket, pistols historical and. Colt model 1849 pocket revolver percussion revolver. A small number about 1500 of model 1851 navy revolvers was converted, using frontloaded, slightly.
The only conversions of the 1849 pocket as such were based on the thuer principle. This 1849 colt pocket model revolver with all matching serial numbers is in exceptional condition, with loads of blue, case colors and perfect grips, and is housed in a. This revolver has the distinctive thuer conversion features which include. This howell conversion cylinder will allow you to convert your 1863 remington pietta pocket. Colt 1849 revolver 31 percussion rock island auction company. Unbeknownst to colt at the time of the model 1849s inception was the success that lay in their new product. Feb 17, 2018 the colt model 1849 pocket revolver was colts answer when replacing their baby dragoon series of guns. Ive included in the pictures a couple of observations from bruce mcdowells excellent book a study of colt conversions and other percussion revolvers. The cylinder has safety notches in between the bolt stops so five rounds can be loaded and the cylinder locked between two live cartridges. This left them limited to their percussion revolvers, the 1849, 1851, 1860, and 1862 models in particular. Hey, all, i recently acquired both a uberti 1849 pocket model and a conversion cylinder.
Details about my uberti 1849 pocket model with cartridge conversion cylinder allowing 5 shots of. Dixie gun works muzzleloading, blackpowder and rare antique. Only an estimated 5,000 thuer conversions were executed by colt around 18691872. Metal has a mostly gray patina, but remains really sharp. Shop antique colt firearms with nationally recognized professionals to include appraisal, authentication and consignment services on antique colt firearms, powder flasks, bullet molds, cases, cartridges, wrenches, etc. Nevertheless, i think it is a beautiful version of what colt could have produced. Pictured in the book colt conversions by r bruce mcdowell pages 345346. Kirst cartridge konverter 1851, 1849 colt vtigunparts. Kirst konverter for pietta 18511861 with loading gate 38 long colt. This revolver has the extremely rare 4 inch octagon barrel with no provisions for a loading lever and has a small round trigger guard. The cartridge it fired became known as the 44 colt. Uberti 1849 pocket with conversion cylinder video sass. Made in a variety of barrel lengths, the 4inch barreled version, like cimarrons copy, was the most popular with those wanting a practical, yet concealable revolver. There are only 4 known wells fargo revolvers with a 4 inch barrel.
Black powder pistols with cartridge conversion cylinders. Feb 12, 2014 i have a colt 1849 pocket model pistol, 5 shot. The model 1849 pocket revolvers are the rarest of all colt thuer conversion revolvers. These were phenomenally popular guns, but quickly becoming obsolete in the face of. This particular thuer conversion is on an 1849 colt pocket revolver. Kirst konverter 22 caliber colt conversion kits, fits many colt model percussion revolvers. All firearms in this sale are being handled and transferred in accordance with all applicable new york state and federal regulations. Successor to the 1848 baby dragoon, colt s 1849 pocket model was a smaller version of their 1851 navy, with about 340,000 produced between 1850 and 1873, more 49 pockets were manufactured than any other colt percussion firearm. The conversion cylinder has a plate at the rear of the cylinder body that contains the firing pins. Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia as the selfcontained metallic cartridge because popular, a niche industry developed in converting percussion revolvers to use the new cartridges. More colt 49s were made between 1848 and 1873 and more rare variations of it exist than any other colt revolver. Pretty close to the same frame size, but a two diameter cylinder and a step in the frame to allow that fatter cylinder front end to fit.